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• Monica Daniel
• Dan Bérubé

Transcript

Monica Daniel: Well, well, now both me and Dan could apologize to David for hurting him. We heard his feelings. I listened to the last podcast, and that’s what he said. We

Zack Arnold: Heard David David Dean’s feelings.

Monica Daniel: Yes, me and Dan heard his feelings.

Zack Arnold: Right. How

Daniel Bérubé: So?

Monica Daniel: Because of our step counts.

Zack Arnold: Because you’re kicking his behind like everybody else’s.

Daniel Bérubé: Are we recording right now?

Zack Arnold: We are indeed.

Daniel Bérubé: Hello, world! I am so amazed at some of the members in the Boston area. Scott Fisher, and then in New York, Graham Elliot. He’s totally-he’s gone beyond everyone. Check the leaderboard lately.

Zack Arnold: Yeah, I know that that the step count in the main Fitness in Post leaderboard is pretty impressive, I must say.

Daniel Bérubé: And it seems to grow every day with people. I think that’s amazing.

Zack Arnold: That’s what I’m hoping. I’m only 9940-one members short of my goal, so I’m I’m getting there.

Daniel Bérubé: So we what 59 members or what 3939

Zack Arnold: Members. Okay, that’s all right. You’re not a mathematician. You’re an editor. No,

Daniel Bérubé: That’s why I went into filmmaking.

Zack Arnold: Yeah. So anyway, want to say to everybody a belated welcome to the Fitness in Post podcast. I am here today with Dan Berube and Monica Daniel, and for those of you have who have kept up with the show, these are two members of my initial beta group. So, hello, Dan and Monica.

Monica Daniel: Hi.

Daniel Bérubé: Hello, hello everyone. Hello, Monica. Hello, Zack. Hello, world.

Zack Arnold: It certainly sounds like a very different Monica than I had on my show about 11 weeks ago. So who who is this person, and what have you done with Monica Daniel?

Monica Daniel: I I actually listened to that third week podcast earlier today just to kind of see where I was. I’m like I I don’t know that person anymore. Zack, that sounds so different.

Daniel Bérubé: Zack, I thought you said to me, what did you do with Monica Daniel? But no,

Zack Arnold: That’s pretty good. See, I don’t even know who this guy is either. Like, guys, it’s it is not six months later. It is like 10 or 11 weeks since we started this program, and I swear to God, there are two different human beings on the other side of this microphone. So, what is going on with you guys?

Monica Daniel: I just want you guys to know, I’m walking in place right now. I raised up my mic so I could stand.

Daniel Bérubé: I was gonna be on my. I almost. I almost placed myself on my treadmill, so I’d be doing like one mile an hour while we’re talking. But no, I decided. I’m standing and I’m doing the TED pose with the Superman arms at the hips and standing strong.

Zack Arnold: Fantastic. The real reason that I wanted to have you two on together is that you two are my dark horses. If I had sat down with 12 members of my beta group on day zero and I had said 12 or 13 weeks later, what’s the horse race going to be? Who are the two or three that are really going to rise to the top and make this a competition? I guarantee you, I would not have picked either of you, and that is nothing against both of you. At just looking at where everybody started and how they felt and what their motivation was day one, I wouldn’t have put you guys at the top of the list. And there’s no question that it’s between the two of you and possibly Natalie to be the winner of the first Geek Desk height adjustable workstation, and we’re very very close. And by the time people listen to this, we’re going to be a couple of days away from actually announcing who the winner is. But for now, we’re a couple of weeks away as of recording this. And I just want to say what I want to tell people is that when we look at the the statistics for the end of June, because at the end of every month, our leaderboards, the the winners will get prizes. Dan had 570-7980 steps. That’s not a typo. That’s an actual number of steps that he took during the month, which equals 250-nine miles covered over 30 days. And and Monica came in with 540,308 steps for 220-three miles, guys. That’s ridiculous. So talk to me about what has happened, you guys, over the course of this program. Because Monica, we heard from you about I think it was eight or nine weeks ago. Dan, we haven’t heard from you since day zero. So let’s start with you, Dan. Go ahead and walk me through what this program has done for you since day one.

Daniel Bérubé: Well, it’s funny, Zack, that you say go ahead and walk me through because while you were talking, I just did 30 burpees, and I just touched the tips of my toes to the tips of my hands, just like kicking my feet in the air. So, you know, I think I just did another mile while you talked. Nice. What’s happening with me is that I’ve been able to manage my time. I typically I don’t have a nine to five job. I have a 24/7 job. I do, you know, as you know, I do the super meets. I do. I just finished a film that we just finally submitted to the New Hampshire Film Festival, so that and you know I was the producer, editor, and AD on that. So I had to conform everything and get it ready to submit. So that was the first thing that I had to hit the ground running when I came back from San Jose from Premiere Pro World. Which, by the way, Monica, you look awesome because I was watching you in the back of the room. When you’re doing like balancing on one on one foot and oh you oh you saw me

Monica Daniel: Balancing one oh yeah I

Daniel Bérubé: Saw that I was

Monica Daniel: Doing one legged squats

Daniel Bérubé: Yeah I have peripheral vision so I saw that it was cool I thought actually and I don’t mean to just skip from one topic to another but I thought it was just a great time to be at in San Jose because everyone in every the the buzz about Fitness in Post is getting out. Zack, you were there. Monica, you were there. Kanen was there. I was there. I wish Adam was there, but you know, and Natalie and the other coaches. But you know, in the in the main session, we were listening to the history of Adobe. I just felt like everyone was like very attentive, and I kept I made a definite, you know, intent to keep my posture up the whole day. Although I usually would slump in the in a little lump, you know, and when you’re in a room in a keynote like that and fall asleep, but not anymore. The new Dan Berube is like to say the $6 million Dan is is a new person, and other people were there too that have caught on to fitness in post or Beachbody or doing the P90 exercises like one of my user group members Tracy Brinling, who I think will probably bring on the show at some point because she’s got a lot of hutzpah in terms of being a coach and being you know being like a team leader was there too, and I just thought the whole conversation. I think you know. I think Zack, you got to connect with people at at Adobe about Fitness in Post. I think yeah, and you had a table there, so I think that that was I really liked that, and it really put me in a great mood because I know that I wasn’t going to be able to do the usual step count while I was out in San Jose, so seeing that was the next best thing. What have what have I been doing lately? You know, I’ve like I said, I’ve just been finishing the film. I work 24/7 I usually have three different time zones I’m talking to right now. I’m working on getting the Amsterdam Super Meet up and running with Michael Horton, so a lot of the times I have to hold Skype sessions with people, and you know I just brought HP on board from the Switzerland office, so that stuff like that happens not during a normal time frame. So I have to fill up my time during the day with other activities, and when I’m not on email, when I’m not writing, when I’m not editing, when I’m not working, I’m out there hiking, and I’m very lucky to have where I live in Waltham in Massachusetts. Right next to me is a big, huge hill called Prospect Hill. That’s part of the Western Green Belt, the Western Greenway series of hiking trails and whatnot in Massachusetts. And the world is my oyster in Waltham because I just, you know, instead of, you know, sitting down on my butt and waiting for something to happen, I’ll go out and and do a hike and while waiting for something to happen, or I’ll bring my mobile office with me. Sometimes I bring my iPad and check the emails that I have to do for the day when I’m at the top of the hill, it’s great because you know instead of being stuck at a desk or sitting on your butt, you know I’m looking at a wonderful view of the skyline of Boston in the woods and doing my thing. And so, I know a lot of people might say, Dan, where do you find the time? But one of my favorite sayings is, “You choose who you want to be, so choose. I choose to do this, and I’m hoping that it spills over to other people that they get inspired by it and know that you know you got to do what you can do in your own life, life and daily routine. Not everyone’s going to be able to do the major steps that I’m doing, but if you can get out for 15 minutes, or instead of sitting on a break, go outside and have that break and walk. You know, I think didn’t Abraham Lincoln walk you know 15 miles every day back and forth from his work?

Daniel Bérubé: You know, I mean, I’ll have to check Fitbit stats. I don’t know. It’s it’s. I just think that you know it’s time to get everyone to get off their feet and do what you can and and at the pace that you feel comfortable with. So I’m trying to do that. You you asked us to bring it as coaches to this program to Fitness in Posts, and I’m doing my small part in bringing it, Zack. And I’m and I’m proud to be a part of the team, it’s great to be working with Monica and Kanen and Natalie and Adam and you to to start this thing to see where it takes off.

Zack Arnold: Well, for the for people that have not listened to previous podcasts, my assumption is that you’re not a personal trainer and you’re not a fitness guru. So, for anybody that doesn’t know your backstory, they can go to the podcast that’s about the initial test group. But just give me like the the 92nd elevator pitch about where you started because you did not start in a good place six months ago. So just give me give me the real quick pitch just for people that haven’t listened to the previous show.

Daniel Bérubé: I think if you listen to the first podcast that I was on at. The third podcast. My first words out of my mouth were, “I am a man of leisure, and that still rings true. I am type two diabetes. I’ve had major issues with my health in the past. Also, you know, depression based on that from being unhealthy. I’ve had different doctors trying to go from one program and health program to another. Recently, last year, I found a way to combine all my doctors together in one place, and that made that big step for me to then address what I need to do. I was 60 pounds heavier than I am now. Last November, decided to, after sort of like a warning wake-up call from my present doctor to take matters into my own hands and buy a treadmill and start eating healthy, seeing a nutritionist, and getting the it’s not rocket science diet into my life of a balanced nutrition between fats, proteins, and carbohydrates. Did I say it right this time?

Zack Arnold: You got to write this down. Okay,

Daniel Bérubé: Okay. Really, I mean that’s really what started for me. And Katie was my wife. Already had a Fitbit and already logged in like two and a half million miles and was also using my Fitness Pal. And I never really looked at that stuff. And then I started taking a look at it, and the geek that I am fell in love with it because no longer did I have to think. Oh, I have to go to Cambridge. I have to go to another, you know, another part of Waltham to go work out. I have to get in my car. I have to bring my gym clothes with me. I have to, you know, I don’t like doing that stuff. I am a man of leisure. When I like to enjoy myself and have fun, and I found a way to enjoy being healthy by using the principles that you talk about now, but you know, getting a tracker, a Fitbit, tying that to my fitness pal, and then starting to eat the right amount back then, calories did matter for me because I was overweight, and I watched my caloric intake and then balance that with an out, you know, with the proper amount of calories expended expended by doing starting at maybe one mile a day on the treadmill, I built up to now I do you know I do at least six to eight miles a day. I think I think you do like 45

Zack Arnold: You do like 45 miles a day, Dan. Let’s not sell yourself short. You’re you’re basically walking back and forth from New York to Boston every day.

Daniel Bérubé: I just walked around my house while I’m talking to you. No, but I’m just talking about the treadmill. I mean, you know, but you know, I balance that with with going on hikes, and then I’m at the point now. Also, I didn’t mention, but I was in a car accident about 20 years ago, which left me with a pin in my ankle, and that in my left ankle, and that combined with my type 2 diabetes, I have some numbing issues in my left foot. So I can’t immediately get to the call of action that you’re prescribing to using one of the Beachbody programs. Although I did get Power 90, and I’m now about to get Power P90 X3 based on your input on that. And so it’s taken a while for me to be able to get my strength training. But what I’ve been doing is with the taking the feeling like I’ve achieved a lot on the treadmill, and then going and actually going outside and on hikes and on uneven trails, building up my stabilizing muscles in my feet and my legs. I just took a swim the other day at Walden Pond and noticed how strong my legs are, which normally I would, you know, I would have to if I was doing lots of swimming or or you know laps. I would have to get out and take an inhaler because you know I have asthma too. But you know I’ve been able to by losing weight, by watching my weight, by watching my foods that I eat, enjoying what I eat, and then enjoying the benefits of healthy exercise and how that affects my mood and my mental state of being. I’m a different person now, Zack. I am the $6 million Dan.

Zack Arnold: I think that’s that’s my new favorite saying. I absolutely love that. So I’m going to move on to Monica here. And Monica, unlike Dan, you didn’t start out at 240 pounds and being type two diabetic. No. But but walk the audience through where you and I started day one and where you are now, because your transformation is equally as amazing as Dan’s, just in your own way.

Monica Daniel: Well, I guess you want to go back to that lunch that I apparently will never live down, where I had to quickly walk two blocks to try to meet with you about this, and I barely made it. I was huffing and puffing and heaving and out of breath and sweating and really pathetic. And that was how long ago? Two and a half months ago. Yeah,

Zack Arnold: It was. It was less than 12 weeks ago.

Monica Daniel: So i I started out with absolutely no energy. It got worse after I had. I pretty much had my first kid. And that sucked all the energy out of me because I was actually gestational gestational diabetes with him, and so I felt like I was starving my entire pregnancy, and I lost a lot of weight from that. I was just always so hungry and very very tired. And then you know I got pregnant with my daughter not very long after I had my son, and so I never really. It takes about two years to recover from giving birth, and I never really recovered before I got pregnant again. And so the cycle just started over. And so after each pregnancy, I had lost about 30 pounds after I was done breastfeeding. I was probably burning like 700 calories in breast milk every day, but I didn’t exercise. I wasn’t eating the greatest, so it was just like basically sucking. The milk was sucking all my energy from me, and so I was down to my lightest I had been to in like 15 years, which was 140 pounds, and which doesn’t sound like is that skinny? But everyone who knew me was like, they were worried about me because I they thought I was anorexic. They’re like, you’re too skinny. They thought I was too skinny at 140 pounds. So I guess I carried it really well. Um, but I had absolutely no energy, and I didn’t develop good habits. And so of course I went back to eating badly, and I hadn’t exercised to get to that weight. So of course, I had no muscle tone. And two years later, I was, and I’ll admit my weight. I was creeping up on 160 pounds again, and I’m only five two. So you know, I was nice, nice, nice, comfy marshmallow pillow weight. I’m not ashamed of it. It’s just it is what it is. That’s that’s that’s actually what I still weigh, but the big difference is is people are telling me that I’m shrinking and I’m losing weight, and even though the scale doesn’t say I am, I’m losing fat, and apparently I’m gaining more muscle than I realized because it’s balancing out with the fat I’m losing, so that’s interesting and that’s a good reason to kind of ignore the scale when you’re when you’re at kind of the weight range I’m at where it’s you know it’s I’ll lose in very slow amounts if I do it healthily. So yeah, I started at no energy. I was always tired. Never got good sleep. Still struggling to try to focus at work, and you know, deal with my two kids and just life in LA and being stuck in horrible traffic for two and a half hours a day. It just-I was in a really, really bad place, and I didn’t realize how much it was affecting me until I you actually kind of until you forced me to really think about it, Zack.

Zack Arnold: Well, just to just to be clear, just to be clear, I didn’t force you to think about anything. I didn’t. Well,

Monica Daniel: No, you just no, you didn’t force me to think about it. But the fact that you brought up this idea made me kind of look at myself and wonder, okay, is this the right thing for me? And then looking at all the different aspects of my life that I wanted to change, I realized, yeah, I really need to get out of this terrible place that I’m in right now because it’s just it’s not good. I was I was pretty burnt out, and I I feel like I didn’t really have a reason to be burnt out because it was just kind of life as usual, but I was really burnt out. From there, I really dove into the program. And if anyone listened to the earlier three week week three podcast, I was having a really hard time my first month, just trying to get past the fatigue and balancing my schedule with the kids being stuck in traffic for so much, going to work, and it was just really hard balancing that time and trying to figure out what works for me. And plus, I had a tendency to be a little too overzealous, and I would work out too hard, and I got sick. Which I did get sick. I think it was the fourth week. I got sick for over a week, and that’s usually the point at which I cut myself off. I worked through it, and my first workout back was the best workout I ever had, and it completely shocked me because I gave my body the time to recover, and I tried again, which I usually never do. And at the time, I was trying to get into Power 90, which that really helped me. The first time I did Power 90, I was hyperventilating. I couldn’t do any of the jumping jacks? I couldn’t do any of the hops at all. It was killing me. And then by the second, maybe two and a half weeks in second week, I was so proud when I was able to get through a full round of the jumping jacks. It was still really hard on me, but I was able to do it, and I I just couldn’t believe it. People take for granted the fact that in high school they just made us do jumping jacks and we did it without thinking about it. But it’s actually really hard to do when you’re out of shape.

Zack Arnold: And I and I think that what people need to know now is going from somebody that 11 or 12 weeks ago couldn’t do jumping jacks. What are you doing now, Monica?

Monica Daniel: Oh God. So after Power 90, I did it for about. About three, three and a half weeks, and I was get quickly getting bored with the workouts. And I remember I talked to you before. It’s like I like doing classes because I I need the variety. I need something to keep me focused, you know, with my dance background. I like things that make me stay coordinated and think and use my body weight. And so after hearing about P 90 x3 and that they were only 30 minute workouts, which it’s hard for me to get 30 minutes to myself to work out without being interrupted. I decided to just jump into P 90 x3 I didn’t even go to the like level three four of Power 90 before I jumped into P 90 x3 and I’ve been doing it pretty much six days a week. And if I miss a day, I’ll double up a workout on the next day to make up that workout, so I haven’t missed any workouts.

Zack Arnold: And it sounds to me like you’re you’re making you’re making it through just fine so far.

Monica Daniel: Yeah, I mean, and I have to do the modifications. It’s actually very very difficult if you do it at the level Tony Horton does it at. But I do the modifications when I have to, just so I can keep going,

Daniel Bérubé: You do what works for you, and that’s what I think. That’s what you try to encourage, and hopefully that people understand when they look at the Fitness in Post website. It’s that you know we’re not expecting everyone to just dive in and do the level that like Zack that you’re doing or that you know others are doing. It’s about doing what’s achievable in tiny steps, and as you like to say, obstacle immunity, making that you know happen in your life, making small changes.

Zack Arnold: Exactly. Well, for people that are just coming to this podcast, that are starting to to jump in, we start to build new subscribers that haven’t listened yet. I want to make it very clear that Fitness in Post is not a group of people that are all doing P90X three. It’s not just everybody that has one plan. We’re all following the same routine. Fitness in Post is all about having a set of resources and ideas and a community, so you can design whatever program works for your fitness level, for your interest in diet, and for your schedule. So everybody’s modifying it in a way that works. But the key is having the accountability because without fitness in post, the only community that we have as editors are editing-related things. We have Creative Cow, and we have training sites, and we have user groups. But how many user groups do you go to where people are sitting around talking about hey, what do you do to stay healthy? Well, people aren’t talking about that, but now they’re starting to. So I just want people that are new to the show to realize the Fitness in Post is about being a community resource for you to figure out what works best for you. So if you’re hearing words like P90X3 and I’m getting 573 million steps a day. That’s not all that this is about. There’s so much more to it, and you two are the perfect examples of people that started this that were just editors that were sitting all day and just felt like crap. So what I really want to talk about now is not the steps, not the the workouts, but I want to talk about how is this program changing the way that you work when you’re on the clock.

Daniel Bérubé: Okay. Well, I was going to say that Zack, when you come here, hopefully in August to Boston to my user group, I’m going to have everyone start off with like 10 burpees. You know, I usually have them get up and shake each other’s hand to get to know each other. But you know, but

Zack Arnold: I would love to see how that works in an auditorium, by the way. That’d be pretty awesome.

Daniel Bérubé: We’ll figure. There’s the lobby, but I just wanted to say one thing about what Monica was saying. I really, I think that you’ve positively enabled us, Zack. I remember about three or four years ago when I was doing a lot more things with with some of my friends at Apple, and a couple of them were doing P90X back then, and when they talked about it, I mean they looked totally amazing. But when they talked about it, it just seemed daunting to me. And I’m at the level now where I’m about to start doing this. Yesterday, when I came back from San Jose, I did a little. I actually started to jog, and that’s an achievement for me, Zack, because I wasn’t able to do that before, so you know where is it? What am I doing now? I’m doing a lot of standing and walking around when I’m working. I’m feeling energized. I no longer. One of the biggest problems that I had way back in November is I would keep falling asleep during the day because my energy levels are so low that doesn’t happen anymore. I hardly snore anymore, although my wife might contest that. But you know, I I just feel healthy, and what that does is that makes me feel more creative and excited to be doing what I’m doing. The passion is ever more there for what I do, and I’ve noticed what what really makes me smile is that people notice that in me as well, and say, “Dan, you’re you’re smiling a lot. You look, you know, what are you doing? Because you’re so happy, and you know, it’s infectious. And I think that’s the biggest compliment that I can get. You know, you know, besides getting the vibe. In my tracker and my Fitbit, when I reach my daily step goal, you know, I like how this healthy lifestyle is infusing into my work and making me do better work, and it shows, you know. I mean, if you can tell a story better, isn’t that something you any one of us in this industry wants to do, and being able to tell a story better, you want to tell the story about yourself better. And if you can be healthier about it when you tell it, it just ripple. It’s a ripple effect, and everything that happens in stories that you see is based on normal everyday experiences. So if you can improve your life this way, it’s only going to make your career better, your financial well-being, your state of mind, and that’s what I’m feeling now. I’m I really do feel like I’m a new person.

Zack Arnold: And how about for you, Monica, to just really talk about what it’s like in the way that you feel, not the exercises you’re doing, but you’re staring at your timeline, you’re cutting something. Like, how has your life changed in your your workspace?

Monica Daniel: Well, now I’m I am a lot more focused. I I always try to be professional and pleasant to work with, but now I don’t have to try so hard to be pleasant to work with. Like when you talked about the grumpy editor, I was very much the grumpy trying to keep my grumpy editor under control, especially over you know stupid little things people people do and editors have to deal with. I’m able to just be more pleasant in the bay without having to try so hard. I’m more focused. I have a million ideas going through my head all the time. I’m constantly jumping around and hopping around, I can’t stand to sit anymore. I always want to move, and I’m just happy at work. And one thing I posted this today: my husband told me that I look taller and I must be standing up straighter. And you know, the thing about posture is I’ve gone back and forth with my posture when I was dancing a lot. You know, I had the dancer’s posture. I could stand up really straight, really well, and I didn’t know how to slump. And then I started editing, and my posture went to crap. And I was always hunched over for years. I’ve had a lot of tension in my shoulders, and as much as 90-minute deep tissue massages tried to work that out, they could only do so much because I would just repeatedly damage my shoulders by hunching over, by being stressed, which caused pain in my wrist, and I had problems with carpal tunnel, and that’s how I got into ergonomics. But even like, I don’t work in a friendly place for ergonomics because I don’t get to own any of those bays. I’m kind of a guest in any bay at any given moment, so I can’t exactly customize everything. So now that I’ve been strengthening my upper body and just more relaxed in generals, not as stressed, and just my attitudes kind of changed, and my energy levels are changed, so I could actually hold my posture up because I have more energy to be able to hold my posture in the proper position. I just it makes work so much easier because I’m not trying to fight through pain for my entire session, which is what I used to be doing. I would just be fighting the pain and trying to ignore the pain and try not to make it worse. So it’s made all the difference. And I know you don’t want to hear about workouts? But what I’ve been doing now is it’s actually related to how I am at work. I go to work now, and it’s depending on how crazy the show is. But this show, I’ve I’ve had time to take 20 minute breaks, 30 minute breaks sometimes, depending on how long my render is, and just go run around the building, or go run run up and down the hills at the liprea tar pits across the street, and just get a quick workout in. And as soon as I come back from that workout, I’m have so much energy. I’m so revitalized, and I’ve actually I’m able to do that because now I work faster. I don’t spend five minutes staring off in the space at the wall because I can’t focus, which used to happen a lot throughout the entire day, not just the afternoon, because I wouldn’t get enough sleep. So I’d go in in the morning, grog in, I try to focus, and I’d lose so much time just staring at the wall or staring at the timeline. And so now I’m because I have so much energy going in, I’m able to get my work done faster, and then I I look at the clock and I’m like, hey, I have time to go run around the building twice. I think I’m gonna go do that. I will run around the building, come back, and have even more energy than I did before, and I’m able to get my work done even faster, so I could take another break later. Or they just give me more work, which is what sometimes happens. They’re like, oh, you have time for this? All right. How about do this, this, this, and stuff I was supposed to do later that week? Unfortunately, so it’s it’s made a huge difference.

Monica Daniel: And I carry deodorant around with me everywhere now, and my heart rate monitor stays in my purse because I never know when I’m going to be able to use it. Because I use it now when I play dance video games with my family. Those are. Really hard workouts. I’ll put my heart rate monitor on and count that as a workout because I bumped my heart rate up really high. So now, I mean, it’s it’s been integrated into my entire life. It’s not just about the P90X three for me now. It’s throughout my entire day, and it just helps me fun function so much better. And I have so much energy up until the moment I go to sleep. Like it takes me about 1015 minutes to kind of wind down, and then I’m out for the rest of the night. Right.

Daniel Bérubé: Yeah, that’s great. Yeah. The quality of sleep is really improved, and I think touching upon what Monica’s saying, you know, the biggest one of the big fallbacks that we all run into is sometimes when we get the loads of work piled on us for editing and whatnot is that no one likes to edit tired because that really doesn’t achieve. It’s kind of like you’re editing in slow motion, and as Monica says, you lose focus and you’re staring at a wall, and you know what? And it’s almost like when I used to you know make one splice, one or two splices a day when I was editing on a Steam Beck. You know, I don’t know. Now, you know, because of this increased energy and the sustainability that derives from that, you know, I don’t edit tired. I don’t work tired, and I’m able to know when enough is enough and walk away from it and enjoy the excitement and the fun that I get just from getting outside or doing standing in a doorway and doing some push-ups by leaning against the door. You know, doing simple things that can really quickly regain your strength or your alertness more so than a cup of coffee would do.

Zack Arnold: Sure. Yeah. And I think I’m gonna I’m gonna have a conversation with both Apple, Adobe, and Avid, and I’m gonna tell them they really need to stop working on all this stuff with real-time renders and no more rendering and background rendering because nobody’s going to be able to do push-ups if there’s no rendering. So if anybody from Avid, Adobe, or Apple are listening, we need to have renders take a really long time, like they did 15 years ago, so everybody can get more fit. This this whole background rendering thing just does not work for my program.

Monica Daniel: Oh, I just wanted to point out something else. Just while I’m at work now, I used to feel kind of guilty about needing a break because I feel like, oh, I just wasted 20 minutes not doing anything because I couldn’t. I just couldn’t figure out what to do or just couldn’t focus. So it’s like, oh, I can’t take a break. I got to make up that lost time, and so it was just this horrible cycle of just like not getting the break I needed, and then trying to like make up for the time I lost because I couldn’t focus because I needed a break. Now when I take breaks, I don’t feel bad about it because I’m like, you know, I got this stuff done twice as fast as the other guy you have, so I’m gonna go take a walk. I’ll see you guys in 20 minutes. You know, it’s I don’t feel bad about it anymore. And because I’m able to get my work done, they don’t even care. They’re like, as long as you get your work done by the end of the day, I don’t care.

Zack Arnold: Yeah, that’s something that I experienced a lot too on the last show I was working on for ABC, where we had a really tight schedule, and at one point we had four editors on at once, just because things were so nuts and had so many notes and a lot going on simultaneously. But I was leaving at like 730 and 8o’clock and everybody else was sitting there around the the dinner table having their pizza and their burgers. And I’m like, all right, gonna go home and see my kids. Everybody’s looking at me and they’re like, well, is he even like done with his work? Like, why are we all stuck here? It’s because I felt really good. I was very efficient, and I was getting through all my work faster because I was able to focus and I had the energy. And you know, the the joke is that I kind of feel like when I’m on my treadmill in front of my desk, as long as the treadmill is moving, that’s making my computer move faster, and I’m rendering faster, and I’m editing faster, just because my brain is moving. So I really found that I was just becoming more efficient, and that’s really where all this started from. Was thinking, hey, let’s not just do this for me. Let’s see if I can get other editors to to feel the same way and become more efficient. So what what I what I really want to focus on now is, and this is what we’ve been talking about in more abstract, but I want to be very specific. You guys are in what’s called a challenge group. You guys were in my beta group, and these challenge groups are something that I’m going to be building more and more of. And more importantly, something that Dan has said a couple of times that I want to clarify is the idea of you guys being coaches, and that is that Fitness in Post is not just about me spreading my ideas and having people copy what I did. I want Fitness in Post to become something that the entire community uses and runs on its own, independent of me. So what I’m doing is I’m bringing in people that are participating in these challenge groups, and I want them to start doing their own and spreading this further and further. So it just kind of becomes like the spider web that grows. So it’s not just me running it; it’s everybody running fitness in post. That’s my goal and my vision for what this can become. So I want to talk about what is a challenge group because I’m going to be starting another one of these soon because I want to see more people seeing the kind of results that you guys are. So you guys have both tried different things in the past to try and get healthy, stay in shape. It’s things you’ve talked about on past shows. But talk to me specifically about what being in a challenge group has done to make this last three months different than your previous attempts.

Daniel Bérubé: Okay, I can start. I mean, what it’s done for me is that, and I think Monica again touched upon that. Just being for me, it’s about discipline. I needed to right around NAB in April when we just started the group or a little bit before, I was looking for the next phase in my health of what to do, and what this challenge group has helped me with is get even more focused to be able to know that there’s people doing the same thing in my group that we’re all you know striving to get to the same type of goal, which is to get healthier, but also in a fun, competitive, non-competitive way. You know, we’re not. You know, yeah, we’re all trying to get the the desk, if you will. But the the the more important thing for me is knowing that Monica supports me, Natalie, you know, Adam, you know, Kanen, and the other coaches that are in the that are in this initial test group challenge group. You know it’s all something that we can bounce off of of each other ideas. And when you’re struggling to find reasons to continue, being in a group really helps. And part of that group is having the Facebook and the social interaction. We’ve got the Twitter, we’ve got the Facebook page, we got the forums, and just being able to. I love just posting in the morning. You know, our team we’ve called ourselves Alpha Force, so I like to post on the Facebook Alpha Force page. Good morning, Alpha Force, and see what type of conversations come with that. Or Monica will post something that she’s seen or read yesterday that is either food or diet or exercise related, or just sharing a little piece of information about how she was able to get through one of her workouts. Or you know, again, we’ve all you know challenged ourselves to do like a 5K or a 10K later on the year or next year, or you’re encouraging us to think about doing these Spartan sprints or whatnot.

Monica Daniel: I I signed up for the Spartan.

Daniel Bérubé: Wow, awesome! I would never have thought of this. Yeah, I would have never have thought of this not being in a group, but being in a group, it challenges you to think more to push yourself in a in a positive way, and so that is the biggest thing. I’ve reached a milestone in the second phase of trying to get a better body physique is by being in this group. It’s really kept me focused because I know that others are there rooting for me while they’re doing the same thing.

Zack Arnold: And how about how about you, Monica?

Monica Daniel: Well, I’m actually uh, it’s funny. The challenge group has helped a lot just because I like the idea. I’ve always wanted to be part of a group, but I just I didn’t want to just join a random group and be like, hey. And it’s it sometimes for people who work outside the industry, they like they always ask me the celebrity questions like, “Oh, who’s this? How’s this person in in person? I’m like, I’ve never actually met them. Yeah, I work on their show, but I didn’t actually meet them. You know those kind of questions. It’s like I wanted a group with peers who understand my schedule and who could talk geek with me about post, and you know we don’t have to worry about kind of walking that awkward line of people asking you how celebrities are. I know that sounds silly, but it’s a question I get from everyone who doesn’t work in the industry, and I I just didn’t want to just join a random strange group with people who would just kind of look at me funny, so I really like the idea that it was a bunch of post professionals. We’re all in the same boat, we and we could all talk about you know as post professionals, you know we all love movies and TV, so and that’s something I love talking about as well. So I love that whole social aspect of it and conversations I know we could have, but also I’m I’m actually really competitive by nature, and you could blame my brothers for that, especially my older brother and my uncle, who’s not that much older than me. And so joining the group really brought out my competitive side. I usually choose not to compete in things because I’m so terrible athletically, I knew I could never win, and I would just be miserable. So this brought out my competitive nature, hopefully in a good way. I started out at the bottom of the leaderboards, and just one at a time every day. I was just like, okay, my goal is to get in front of that person right in front of me, and I’m gonna beat their step count. And one day, I just saw myself at the top, and then Dan kept beating me. Damn him and his damn heights! I had to take my kids to daycare, and damn dan got to hike, damn it! But you know, I just did it one at a time until I really didn’t think I had a chance at the geek desk. I agree with you, Zack. At the beginning, I didn’t think I. A chance of hell winning any prize at all. Not with people that other people that are in the group that are so fit, and they were already had workout regimens. And I was starting from absolutely like laying on the floor, barely able to lift my damn leg. So it brought out my competitive side, and I just one person at a time, I just wanted to overtake them in the little way that I could. And you know, the the truth is, I’m on top of the leaderboards, but a lot of these people are still way stronger and they’re way more athletic than me. But you know, it just makes me want to work harder, and that’s that’s helped me to keep pushing myself. And I will be the first to admit that, yeah, I’m I’m not the I don’t have the greatest upper body strength, but it’s a lot better than it was two months ago.

Zack Arnold: Yeah, and that’s something that I really want people to understand that the challenge groups are not number one just about how much how much weight can you lose because you’d mentioned the scale earlier, and I’m trying to I’m trying to do the antithesis of the biggest loser, which is let’s let’s eat as little as possible and work out as much as possible and be completely utterly miserable, but lose 250 pounds, and then once the camera stopped rolling, gain it all back. This is the opposite of that.

Daniel Bérubé: If that was if that was what this was all about, you wouldn’t be having me on this podcast tonight because I wouldn’t be a part of that.

Zack Arnold: Yeah, exactly. That’s that’s just a philosophy that I don’t agree with at all. So this is about more than just looking at the scale, and it’s much more about than just looking at your step count because your step count is one thing. But I want people to understand, especially when it comes to giving out something as expensive and as valuable as a geek desk, it’s not just going to be who can get the most steps because that’s one aspect. There’s also you know the number of active minutes that you have, which is actually pushing yourself. There’s how many calories are you burning overall? How many calories are you burning per pound? But most importantly, how has your life changed overall? And a lot of that is subjective. So so the way that things that these are determined is somebody’s thinking, well, I want to get into a challenge group, but like if I’m going to win a desk, I don’t want it to be about my weight because I actually want to gain 10 pounds. What it’s about is who’s made the largest transformation in their life as far as the the amount of activity where they started, where they ended up. It’s going to include before and after pictures. So I’m just going to let people know that that’s going to be part of the judgment aspect. It’s all about understanding how much has your life changed, and then the biggest aspect is I’m not going to choose it. This is something that I didn’t know how to address when we first started this group, but we all talked about it as a group because it’s not my group; it’s everybody’s group. And we decided that if somebody’s going to win a desk, which means that 11 other people are not going to win a desk, it’s going to have to be by a vote of the group itself. So there’s a lot of thought that has gone into this, and the other aspect that I don’t think that a lot of people are seeing from this, but the ones that are a part of this are seeing, is that this is an amazing opportunity to network. A lot of people in this industry, especially post production, are very very introverted. I was myself, and what I learned very quickly is that everybody always says, “Oh, well, it’s all about who you know, right? Oh, well, I don’t know anybody. Well, guess what? You have to get to know people. It’s not like you’re just handed a set of contacts when you’re born, and all of a sudden these are the people that I know. You get to know people. Like for example, there was a guy that came out to one of the Fitness in Post hikes a couple of weeks ago. Just moved out here like three months ago, and he’s like, “Yeah, I just got out here. You know, I haven’t really made a whole lot of contacts trying to find work, but I’m really into working on trailers. Well, guess what? I’ve worked in the trailer world for like five years. Now he’s got a contact that he didn’t have before, all because he showed up to go for a hike for an hour. So, if anything, just make this about social networking and finding more context in our industry. Except we all have the goal of being healthier at the same time. So there are a lot of benefits just beyond. Oh wow, I’m losing weight.

Daniel Bérubé: This is a natural extension of like my user group. You know, get out of the house, meet some people. You never know who you’re going to meet that might provide you with the next job opportunity, health opportunity, change your life, and that’s what this is all about. I mean, that’s the biggest thrill that I get from this Zack. It’s not about trying to win a desk. It’s about being part of of a movement, if you will, or being. I’ve always been like that, and and I love meeting new people and and reconnecting with people who see what I’m doing with this group, and as a coach, and then now they want to be a part of it. And I can’t wait until I’m doing hikes like you’re doing, you know, together as groups here in Boston. I can’t wait to have a challenge group here that is is localized because you know I can see like not even within the year that something this will exist, and I just can’t wait to see how this will change people as agents of change in the industry, as just you know, just doing better work. That’s what I’m in this for.

Zack Arnold: Yeah,

Monica Daniel: I was gonna say one of the most important things. I mean. I’m still learning to balance, and I’m pushing myself really hard. Basically, my will is stronger than my body, so I have to be really careful when I do modifications on workouts. And I’m also doing interval treadmill training right now to prepare for the runs. And oh god, I’m so terrified of that sperm race

Daniel Bérubé: Zack. Man, just just wait. That’s nothing.

Zack Arnold: Here, I’m all I’m gonna tell you is that you’re gonna go through this race and you’re gonna hate me. You’re gonna look at me and you’re gonna say, “What have you done? I cannot believe you got me into this. And I guarantee, I will put this on podcast out in the world. Anybody on iTunes is gonna hear this. When you cross the finish line, you’re gonna give me the biggest hug you’ve ever given anybody, and you’re gonna say thank you, thank you for making me do this. Just wait. That’s exactly what’s gonna happen.

Daniel Bérubé: Well, I’m covered in mud, but

Monica Daniel: Well, one of the things I’ve always wanted to do is obstacle course races. Like I couldn’t, I didn’t have the discipline to train all by myself, and I couldn’t afford a personal trainer to prepare for them, so I didn’t know how to do it. So basically, Zack has enabled me to to do do it and not have any excuses. I’m just I’m just terrified of those hills and anything the upper body strength because I know that’s a huge weakness. But like a I Fourth of July weekend actual Fourth of July. I wanted to see if I could, because randomly the Sunday before, I was like, I I think I was able to get like 45,000 or 47,000 steps, just because I was like, ah, let’s see how many steps I could get in one day. And so I was just walking around all day, went to the mall with my kids. I don’t know what I was doing, but that so that Friday I was like, let’s see if I could get that 50,000 badge in Fitbit, and I did, but I did it all day, and it was really hot that day. I was going in it out of the house in the sun, running after my kids, walking around the pool, doing all this different stuff. You know, went on the treadmill for the last bit of it at night to to get over the 50. I think I got 50-2000 steps.

Zack Arnold: It was. It was actually 50-4000

Monica Daniel: It was 50-4000 You were okay. It was 50-4000 steps. It was 20-two miles.

Zack Arnold: And just so people have a point of reference, I recently ran a 13-mile Spartan race, and I didn’t even hit 40,000

Monica Daniel: Okay, it was it was 20-two miles according to Fitbit. But anyway, I paid for that day for the entire rest of the week. My the muscles in the back of my legs felt like if I did the the smallest movement the wrong way, I would majorly pull a muscle. And I I think it was a combination of walking so much, but also it was really really hot that day. And I even got sunburned from just kind of walking around outside, and I was just at my parents’ house the whole time. I didn’t go anywhere, and I just I pushed my pushed my body too far without realizing it, and I paid for it for the rest of the week. My step counts were not that good for the rest of the week because I I couldn’t really move my legs without fear of injuring them. So, I mean, I I pushed a little too hard in overtraining without realizing it. So that’s something I’m still, I still kind of try to push myself to the limit, but just try to stay, you know, just shy of the line where I feel like, oh, great, great, I’m gonna like mess myself up for the rest of the week. But I push myself pretty far. But I’m trying to figure out where that line is. It’s tough.

Daniel Bérubé: I’d like to just chime in here to show my support for Monica. I mean, for me, you know, it’s a little different for me. I’ve been on the treadmill for so long, or at least since November, and doing hikes that I’m I’m at the point now where my legs are very strong. Finally, at the point where I feel like my ankles, the stabilizing muscles are sufficient enough for if I that I’m not going to like trip and fall. Which I actually I have never told you about this, but I’ve done several trips and falls when I’m out there on the hikes. Oh, that’s

Monica Daniel: Not good.

Daniel Bérubé: But it’s you know I learned. I’ll tell you I learned I I learned this from parachute jumping, the three points of contact. I always think about that when I’m going down, so I never, I never really hurt myself. But it’s more of like a, it takes the wind out of you, and then you look and you, you know, obstacle immunity, Zack. You just get back up, and I’m going to do this thing. But what is inspiring when what I see in Monica is how you’re doing the, how you you’re now doing the P90X three you’re doing the Beachbody exercises that I’ve aspired to do and I’m getting at the point to being able to do because of my legs being stronger and my my left ankle specifically so you know I think that you’re really achieving some milestones there for me it’s not again. It’s not about for those that are listening. Don’t think that you have to try to do you know 400,000 steps in a month. You know. No,

Monica Daniel: That’s that’s just me being a little crazy.

Daniel Bérubé: Oh yeah. I just wanted to see if I could

Monica Daniel: Do it.

Daniel Bérubé: Yeah. I you know like I said you know it’s it’s it’s a it’s great it’s a great milestone to to reach when you. See yourself doing, you know. I’ve done days when I’ve done 1216, 1820, miles in a day, and whether it’s a combination of walking on the treadmill or walking or doing a hike or being on a bicycle or whatnot, but going back to the whole community thing, just being and seeing yourself on a leaderboard and seeing how you can measure your success is, is I think one of a really important step in being part of this group and being a part of Fitness in Post. So I I applaud you, Monica, with what you’re doing, and I and I can’t wait when I start doing these exercises, since you’re a coach and I can talk to you, is to actually you know, ask your advice as well as Zack about how to do these Beachbody exercises better. Well,

Monica Daniel: Trust me, I I do almost every exercise modified, and I’m still like heaving. Usually towards the end of the workouts, I start like vocalizing grunts because I’m just like, oh god,

Monica Daniel: Like ringtones. I’m

Daniel Bérubé: Thinking of ringtones. The

Zack Arnold: Monica grunting ringtone. I want that one. Well,

Monica Daniel: And something I want to bring up too is my husband. Like he’s supportive. Yes, he’s like okay, yeah. And the kind of commitment you have to wake to like make to working out is you know it’s a very personal decision because that’s a lot of time you have to invest, and when you have kids, it’s it can get a little crazy, crazier with the kids always wanting to play, and so my husband he’s been wanting to get healthier, but you know he he needs to do it in his own way, and at first I got I got him to agree to try the Shakeology with me. I’m like, come on, just do it with me and see if it makes a difference for you. And he noticed after a week, it’s making a difference. He loves having it now. Seals half my stash. I have like three orders of Shakeology a month. So my husband was noticing how much how hard I was working and how it was making a difference. He noticed it in like you know he noticed it in my my body shape. He noticed in my energy levels. He noticed in my moods. I used to get headaches all the time, and I think that had a lot to do with the shoulder tension. And I always had headaches. And you know, dealing with a spouse who has headaches all the time is not a picnic. I’ll tell you that. And I always have headaches, and they’re gone. The only time I get a headache is occasionally when my allergies are really bad, and I’ll pop a Clarin, and it’ll go away. But I don’t get headaches anymore, and so he was noticing all these differences in me. And so once I was like, okay, I’m gonna get the P90X three, and once I decided to do that, he was like, you know what? I’m gonna I’m gonna use your your Power 90. I was like, really? I I was shocked because he’s always been like, I don’t want to do that. I don’t want to do DVD workouts. I need to do it my own way, which he usually likes taking walks. And he actually did DVD workouts for the first time in his life, and he realized how out of shape he was. And now he does them about twice a week because he still has work, and you know he’s trying to find that that balance that I took a month and a half to figure out before I got into my groove. Like he’s kind of at the beginning of that, but you know he’ll go for walks now, or he’ll go for jogs, or he’ll do power 90, and he uses my resistance bands, and he’ll just kind of stand there and watch me do P 90 x3 and I could just see the look on his face is like wow this is actually really interesting to see you do this like he can’t believe what he’s witnessing me doing and I think it’s inspiring him and now he’s like kind of starting on his own doing the workouts and it’s it’s making a a difference for him well speaking

Daniel Bérubé: That’s awesome Monica I mean, and speaking of the whole idea of working as a team, nothing is better than having your significant other join in with you, and that’s what did it for me as well. And I think that’s one of the easiest ways they can build your support mechanism there. What we were doing before would we be watching our shows on television, so we’re sitting down, but we don’t watch. We still watch TV, but you know I’m watching it while I’m on the treadmill because what Katie and I are doing in our moments together is we’re going out for a hike and we’re being outside and we’re talking about great things and enjoying life, and I think that’s another great benefit of just putting more activeness in your life now for Katie, she’s bored with what I’m doing because she wants she she can run. I don’t, you know, I’m I’m getting there, but you know, Katie wants to start running, so she might do some things on her own, but that’s okay, you know. But you know, what it’s done is it’s kept me being able to go at it, and now it’s encouraging me to start. It’s on my bucket list to start running. I’ve signed up, you know, as you did too, Monica, for the Star Wars 10K. Oh yeah, in January, and I fully intend to try to make that. I know I can walk 10K, and and right now my my fastest was an hour. In in I think 15 minutes, so you know if I if I can at least walk it. But if what better way to to show a victory for myself for my efforts is if I can actually do a jog and make it. The other thing that I wanted to talk about, since both of us have spoken of diabetic issues, is that anyone listening to this podcast right now who’s got issues with diabetes, please feel free to contact me and talk to me because that is what I think I can be a benefit to of those who who may have high blood sugar levels and are looking for ways to bring it down. Exercise is a good thing, and one of the things that that I never really spoke about was that you know yes I did mention that I’ve had numbing issues in my left foot but because my diabetes and my my blood sugar levels were so high I actually had some neurological problems with my left leg and also massive massive headaches that I never really spoke about now those I don’t have those anymore, and I remember when my doctor back in December was very concerned that I bought a a treadmill because he you know he was worried that he didn’t want to see me you know repeatedly walking on hard surfaces or whatnot because of my issues with my leg and my and the numbness of my foot that has significantly been reduced by exercise, not medication. You know the medication obviously helps. That’s why it’s there for you. Being able to take matters into your own hands, and this may lead into a segue that maybe Zack, you can talk about that. This site is about preventative ways to to prevent things from happening in your life. That instead of trying to treat it, am I right?

Zack Arnold: Yeah, absolutely. If if you go on the site and you read some of the the blog posts that I’ve been putting up, and I’ll have even more. My whole philosophy is that I’m not a believer at all in the Western medical idea that our job is to treat symptoms. So if you have a symptom and you’re sick, my job is to treat it by giving something that’s going to cover up the symptom, right? So if you listen to the podcast that I do with Dr. Edison de Mello, he talks about that. So the idea behind this is wellness, and I just call wellness the prevention of illness. So rather than deciding, well, I feel like crap. Why not get yourself to the point where you feel good, and therefore you don’t have to treat the fact that you feel like crap? So it’s just about preventing illness and future illness just through wellness. And I really think that’s a movement that’s happening far beyond this industry. That’s happening everywhere because this entire country is fed up with feeling the way that we do,

Daniel Bérubé: Right? I totally agree on that. Monica, do you agree?

Monica Daniel: Yes.

Daniel Bérubé: Okay.

Zack Arnold: I have one more question for you guys. This is going to kind of be a lightning round because I don’t want this to go too long. Fitness in post is obviously very all-encompassing. There’s not just one magic bullet. It’s not one pill that you take. There’s a whole lot of different things, but I’m going to flip that on its side. And for people that are really overwhelmed by this idea of a challenge group or changing their whole life, what’s the one thing that you can point to and say, if there’s only one piece that I could choose to get started, this is the place that I would start. So, Dan, what would that be?

Daniel Bérubé: I think the biggest the first step is to is to go to Fitness in Post and read the five steps and see how they can help you to to break it down to manageable steps that you can achieve to bring health into your life and to be a part and to get into actively being part of a community that cares about other people, and that’s what I hope that we’ve expressed in this podcast is that those within this group, within the test group, those in the challenge groups, Zack and the people all in this group on the website, we care about each other because we all want to do good work. So if there’s a if the the first step is to I think read you know the five steps and to know that this is an open door for you and that we’re here to support you because we we want you to be a part of this and I something tells me that those listening that you probably will be a part of this once you see how easy it is to get into it. If I can do it, all I can say is that you can do

Zack Arnold: It. I love that. All right, Monica, lightning round. If if if you could only do one thing, or tell somebody that’s really hesitant, here’s the one thing that you need to do to to jumpstart this. What would it be?

Monica Daniel: I’d have to say where where I had to start because it took me a while to build up to where I am doing a bunch of different crap that I do throughout the day. Track your steps. It is very enlightening to whether it’s a Fitbit or the Fitbit app, or if you just time yourself, or whatever, or an up, whatever you use to track steps, you will be amazed at how little you walk until you start looking at the numbers. And I think that’s if you’re sedentary. That’s where you have to start anyway. You just have to start walking and getting the time in to try to walk.

Daniel Bérubé: That’s beautiful. I mean, just going from my edit suite to my kitchen to the front door and back is 100 steps. So if you break it down, it doesn’t take long before you can set a goal that you can easily reach with these trackers. And honestly, Monica, I agree with you. That’s the first thing that really got me going. Was when I broke down and he did the the advice of my wife because she had a Fitbit already. I bought one too, and when I hit the first 1000 miles and got that vibration on my wrist, it felt good. It was the best pat on the back I could have gotten, and it kept me going. And that being said, nothing. I’m I’m I’m so overjoyed because my twin brother Don just bought a Fitbit finally, and now he’s doing similar to what I’m doing, and I’m very excited about that because there’s people out there that takes a long time for it to sink in, and if you just take it step by step, and no no pun intended, there’s a lot that you can achieve doing this.

Zack Arnold: So what I’ll do is I’m going to put in the show notes so everybody can find it. Number one, Dan’s suggestion, which is using the five steps, and Monica’s suggestion, which is tracking your activity. So I’ll have links to both of those in the show notes. But otherwise, I’m going to let you guys go. And I know you you both have 10 or 15,000 more steps to get in before the night is over. So I don’t want to keep you too long, but I appreciate you guys being in the program, and I really look forward to seeing what we can build together as we continue to move forward. So thank you so much.

Daniel Bérubé: All right, to you, Zack and Monica. See you on the trails.

Monica Daniel: Yeah, actually, you’ll have your trail. I’m going to Comic Con for a week.

Episode Credits

This episode was edited by Kristin Martin (@KristinCMartin), show notes were written by Maciek Kaliski (@MaciekKaliski), and the show was executive produced by Kanen Flowers (@iamkanen). We are a member of the THAT STUDIO podcast network.