Episode Highlights

• How Chriss found Fitness In Post and why she joined
• Molding into and “becoming your edit chair”
• Accountability in groups being the key to success
• Eliminating back pain by standing
• Baby steps to get more activity in the edit bay
• Getting MORE work done by taking breaks
• Her first experience with the weekly hiking group
• Carrying bricks and developing “obstacle immunity”
• Designing a “brick” fanny pack!!!
• Irregular sleep patterns and how to improve them
• Tips to get better quality sleep
• What to do when eating out

Useful Links

• The Spartan Race
• “Just Get Flux”
• The Bulletproof Executive
• Sleep Cycle Alarm Clock App
• Kindle Paperwhite
• Bulletproof Upgraded Charcoal 
• STEP 3: Making Small Changes
• Fitness In Post Hiking Group

Transcript

Zack Arnold: All right, we are going to get to our guest today, and today I am joined by Chriss Horgan, who is a member of my current new challenge group, and they are titled, self-titled, I must add, the Incredibles. So, welcome, Chriss Horgan.

Chriss Horgan: Hello, Zack. Thank you so much for having me.

Zack Arnold: So, we have absolutely no agenda whatsoever, which is usually the way that I like to do things. So, the reason that I was inspired to bring you specifically on the show today is because you have an exceptionally hard schedule, and I don’t want to say work schedule. I just kind of want to say a life schedule because you have so many different things going on, and you are the perfect example of somebody that can just as easily say, “quote unquote, I don’t have the time, I’m too busy. But I really feel like in this challenge group, you have shown that when you decide to put your mind to something and you make it a priority, no matter what is going on, you stick to it. And that doesn’t mean that you’re sticking to P90X six days a week and doing all this crazy exercise. You are modifying this program and doing what works for you. But from the conversation that you and I had last week or two weeks ago, this program is really, really working. So I’m inspired by that. So what I want to do is just start out by first, can you explain to me how we met and how you found out about fitness in post and why you got involved?

Chriss Horgan: Yeah, I’d love to. It was actually on let’s see, May 28th at the Lassie Pug meeting, you were a guest speaker, and you were introducing your idea of fitness in post. And I think by that time, you had already had some what you called beta testers, and had already implemented some guidelines for this organization. And I am one of the first actual the first group I guess the Incredibles, and listening to you that night it was like after two minutes your presentation in two minutes it was something that just hit me I just knew I have been looking for a solution for at least five years I’m in as all other editors, I’m in a scenario where my job is pretty sedentary when I’m working, when I’m editing, and I will go. I’m I’m my own worst boss, actually. I will go 18 hours a day without even getting up, I was very convenient with my water bottles in my you know arms reach, my snack foods, whatever I needed, as long as I didn’t have to get up and and disturb what I was doing. When I get focused and get into something, that’s it, and I totally am oblivious as to what’s going on, you know, out there, and gradually over the years, I started, you know, gaining weight. And I’m a person that has never had a problem if I gained five or 10 pounds here or there. 10 was probably the most. It was no big deal to take it off, and I was in that mindset that oh, it’s no big deal. I knew I was getting you know thicker because buttons weren’t fastening as fitting as nice as they used to, and all that stuff. But you know, time goes on and thicker and thicker and thicker, you know, my waist became and got to the point that it was 15 pounds. Then it was 20 pounds, and I just kept going. And I’ll tell you, it was really fast. That five years went really fast, and I was about 40 pounds too much, and that’s it. Was alarming. It just where did it come from? It the time flew by, and there I was. And I say this: I looked like my my editing chair. I was molded to my chair, and I just my whole health was declining, and it was really disturbing me and bothering me, and I started searching. I started searching for diets. My usual tried and true diets weren’t working because in the day when I was really active, that was the whole key right there. It was active. It wasn’t necessarily my diet. My diet is pretty healthy. It was the purport, the portions, and the fact that just because in my mindset I thought I was eating healthy, and yes, I was eating healthy foods, but you know you can’t just nonstop eat stuff. It doesn’t matter if it’s healthy or not. You’re going to expand if you don’t do something about it. My back was killing me from sitting. My lower back was just killing me. My neck would start hurting after so many hours. But do you think I would get up and do anything about it? No, I would just continue to just plow through, edit, and and I went through all kinds of fads. I guess you could say what the greatest thing was. You know, to try and drop weight, exercise was would last maybe a week to a week and a half, and then my schedule would just get too busy again, and I would fall off. I couldn’t keep to a routine, that wasn’t working, and I started really feeling guilty about that. And I never stopped searching for something. It was. It’s was my biggest guilt factor on my mind was my health. I’ve never been that overweight in my life, and it was really bothering me. And of course, at my age, by the way, I’ll be 61 on Sunday. So when you get over that 50 year mark, especially, it gets especially hard to drop weight. Especially hard if you are sedentary, if you are not moving. And so, anyway, I came to the Lassie Pug meeting on May 28th and had no idea that you were going to be giving this presentation. As soon as you got up there, I was first of all when Michael Horton introduced you.

Chriss Horgan: I was my interest was really piqued. I was like, “Oh, this is a nice surprise! And then when you jumped up there and started talking about fitness in post, I was two minutes, literally two minutes. I was sold. I was like ready to just sign up, and it just made so much sense. Of course, it was the simplest solution: get up out of the chair. You know, a working, a standing workstation. Oh my gosh, it was like a no-brainer, and everything that you introduced and had to say that night-it was just like everything. Just it was snap. It just made sense, and that was when I I was hooked. Talked to momentarily after the meeting was over. Picked up some information. Went straight home. Downloaded all of the the guidelines and everything that was on the website, and I started that very next day on may 29 That was it. That was it. You were the kick in the butt that I needed to just. It was a simple solution. There’s no hardcore exercise unless you want to. The accountability from the group is is everything. It’s everything. This is the most fantastic group of people. We we are all on the same page. We all come from the same mold of editors’ bays and you know problems. It doesn’t matter if you’re picture editing or sound editing. You’re editing and you’re stationary, and you hear you had the simplest solution. Why has no one else ever thought about it? Or maybe someone has, but I’ve missed it. But you know, anyway, it. it all made sense, and I started in on this program. Ordered my little electronic devices that I needed, my Fitbits and my heart rate monitors, and just started following the plan. And it was so easy. It was so easy. First thing that I did was kick my chair away. Good, good for you. Yeah, and I can’t. You know, it really. I can’t stay seated too often, too too long at a time anymore. It just isn’t even comfortable anymore to sit. It seems more natural to just stand. I think we were meant to stand. Actually, what I

Zack Arnold: Can guarantee is that we were not meant to sit in Aeron chairs for 12 hours a day. I know that’s not what the cavemen were thinking.

Chriss Horgan: I agree. I’ll tell you. After probably 10 to 15 days, my lower back pain was gone, totally gone. To this day, it had it’s it’s gone. This is this. I’m talking about chronic back pain, and my neck. There’s no pain anymore. It’s from standing up and just being mobile. And I thought that I, of all people, would have a problem cutting. There is some time when you know I have to really focus when I’m like cutting dialog, especially to really sync. You know the the dialog that takes a lot of focus. And I thought, man, I can’t be moving around when I’m doing that. I got to like be still, and I’ve got to focus on what I’m doing and everything. Actually, it’s it’s not that hard. It’s like once you learn how to pat your your head and rub your stomach, you know, and you can do. It’s kind of like that kind of a thing,

Zack Arnold: Right? Yeah. Now, explain to people what exactly you do. That was something I was getting gonna get into next. Tell the audience. What it is that you actually do specifically for a living?

Chriss Horgan: Okay, I am a sound editor for feature film and television. I do anything from dialog editing to ADR editing, cutting foley, sound effects editing, sound design. Mostly, I edit at home when we reach the end of a picture and we need to go to dub stage, or if we need to go to ADR, we have to go to a studio. That’s the only time that I’m not working at home, so it’s just a great job. I love it and everything. But yeah, I sit in here most of the time, you know, very easy to just slide into that. And I’ll tell you something. Ever since I’ve been involved in this program with Fitness Imposed, I have been noticing sound editors are very soft and pudgy people.

Zack Arnold: It’s not. It’s not just sound editors. It’s it’s it’s the whole industry, and I’m not making a judgment, it’s just reality.

Chriss Horgan: It just is. I never noticed it though. I was never paying attention to that before, but now I am very aware, and I just want to share, you know, fitness and post with everybody. And the thing is, is that all you can do, you can be a messenger and just put it out there, but the person themself has to really. There has to be something from within to want to do this. You can’t like tell them, oh, you’re going to die, and and you know, or you’re going to end up in the hospital with a stroke or a heart attack if you continue, you know, just sitting there in your chair and and eating your your cheezits or whatever. I have had some really great interest and response from my fellow editors. They they’re watching me. They’re they’re checking it out. I think that there’s probably going to be a few more on board. I have a couple associates that are actually doing this. They’re not in the group, but they’re they’re following my lead and they’re doing it on their own, so I feel like that’s pretty cool, you know. And so I have my group here, all of you wonderful people holding me accountable, and yet I get to turn around and hold my couple of friends that are doing this accountable as well.

Zack Arnold: Absolutely, and that that’s the only rule for becoming a part of Fitness in Post is that you have to lead by example, and it sounds like you’re doing that because I’m trying to build an entire team of people where we can all be doing this together. Where it’s not just me and I’m the program. I want the program to be something that exists for our entire industry, and I’m well aware that it’s not an easy sell. I did not decide to go to you know an editing convention and hold out candy bars and say hey who wants a candy bar like everybody wants a candy bar but you say hey who wants to eat whole foods and get more activity and feel better and you just kind of get these blank stares right yeah so I I know that I this is not an easy sell but I firmly believe that it can work for people in our industry, because I’m seeing it work for people like you, and you you’d mentioned a couple of things that I was afraid to ask and mention in public, but now that you said them, you’re you’re not you’re not young and you’re not thin, and that’s one of the things that people say to me a lot. Is well, I listen to the podcast and I hear Natalie and she’s doing great and loves the program, but she’s 105 pounds and she runs half marathons, right? You’re you’re not that person. You’re somebody that’s you know moving up towards the the retirement years, if there is even such a thing in our society anymore, you know. But you’re getting closer to that, and as you said, you’re a little bit heavier than you used to be, but you’re still finding tremendous success with this program, which makes me very happy because I’m not trying to provide a 90 day program to look amazing on the beach in a swimsuit and then let it go away once the big event is over. I want this to be something that sticks with people for a long time, and the only way that works is if it’s fun and you want to do it every single day. And it sounds like you’re experiencing that.

Chriss Horgan: Well, you know, it is like second nature with me now, and so I would agree. Yeah, it’s I. It’s just part of my lifestyle. It seems like now, and when I’m not participating in you know the program, my brain goes off and says, “Okay, get back on track here. I’m not allowing myself to stray, and I don’t want to. This is-it’s not drudgery. It’s fun. It’s fun to become healthy and well again, and it’s fun to share it with people that are doing the same thing that I do for a living, because we all get it, and that I think is key. You know, I used to belong to many gyms, and you know, you go to a gym and you see over here on this side, you know, on the the spin cycles, or like you said, all the 105 pound, you know, people, and and they’re all fit and toned and they’re doing their thing, and then you have the other little group over here of of. Loners that you know that really don’t-they’re there and they’re trying to do something for themselves, but they’re not comfortable socializing yet with anybody else. And all of these people are, you know, they have their jobs and and their lifestyles and stuff. But you guys, I already know what you do for a living, and I can relate to what you you do. You can relate to what I do, and we all know how we got here. You know, it’s it’s simple as that, and it’s just it just seems like it’s kind of fun, and it’s become a little bit competitive with each other, you know, in a way that keeps us motivated, and yeah, I am. I’m not your typical. I’m not your typical P 90x X X whatevers, you know. And the fitness program, although I highly recommend incorporating fitness into your life somewhere somehow, no matter how minimal it is, and even when you get into those locked into those deadlines, and we know how that is, everything else has to stop because that’s you have to focus on you know your work and everything, that’s fine. Just do it and just follow all the other guidelines, you know, of the program. And then the minute that you’re you’re done and you’ve delivered, then get back into your program. It’s that easy. And just by getting rid of the chair alone, being on my feet and following the program, making a few little adjustments, like not having any food stuff around my workday, and I used to also have a big jug of water in here that I could just fill my water glass up when I was, you know, thirsty or something. Now the five-gallon water jug is downstairs, and I live in a two-story, so I have to go down the stairs to get my water and come back up. And it were little baby steps that got me started, like things that were suggested to me, like just set an alarm or something for every hour, because we time does get away from us when we’re working and and focused and set an alarm for every hour just to make yourself get up, and and move. You know, even if you’re just moving around for five minutes, just move. And it started like that. And now I don’t even need an alarm. It’s like the automatic alarm clock in the head. You know, I know when to get up, and I don’t even wait an hour anymore. And I would think that I’m not going to get my work done if I’m constantly interrupting. It’s quite the contrary. I get more work done. I just I don’t know how that worked out. It just the more active I got, the more energy I got the more focus I was, and I don’t know I worked just better. Now also just by my portion control for the amount of activity that I do, I haven’t really changed my diet at all. My diet’s always been pretty clean and healthy, and I’m not a snack person, and I’m one of those rare people that don’t crave chocolate. Thank goodness. I just shaved down my portions, and just from that alone, and the standing up, the walking around, the moving, and everything, I started dropping. Wait, not fast.

Chriss Horgan: You know, it it was just dropping a pound here or there, but now looking back, and I I only weigh myself maybe once every seven to 10 days, and and it’s not constantly on my mind. It’s it’s every now and then what it gets on my mind is when I notice that the last pair of pants that I’m wearing are now too loose, and now I get to go to another pair that I haven’t been able to wear for two or three years, and I’m thinking, oh, I’m shrinking. I wonder how much I weigh. So I’ll stand on the the scale, and I’ll be delighted to find out that I’ve dropped another, you know, three or four pounds or something, and I’ve lost to this day. I’ve lost 16 pounds now since May 29th, and that’s not even trying. That’s just from following a few simple guidelines, making a few little adjustments, and I know it’s probably going to get to a point where it slows down. And I, my goal that I set is 40 pounds. I’d like to lose those 40 pounds that I I gained over the last five years, and I think once I hit the downhill slope, that’s when I’m really going to kick in and help out with myself by incorporating a a real workout routine. I started. Doing one earlier on, and then just everything just you know is like there’s not even any minutes. It got to the point where okay, either the sleep was going to have to like be shaved off, which I already am lucky if I get four hours of sleep, or something else was going to have to go. And so I just figured I’m doing, I’m already reaching my goals of the minimum goals that I had set for myself, I’m very happy. I’m so happy. Thank you so much. I’m so happy.

Zack Arnold: Well, you’re you’re the one that’s doing all the work. I’m just providing the roadmap. What I’ve really been encouraged by with what you’ve done, because I knew that when we had talked and you’d said, “Here’s my situation. Here’s my schedule, and kind of here are my goals. I knew that it was going to be challenging. You had a lot of habits that you had said you were kind of stuck in, whether it’s the way you sleep or the amount of hours that you have a day, or like you said, the fact that you never stood up or never got water or took breaks. Right. And what you’ve really done is you’ve implemented step three of the program, which is making small changes. You’ve pretty much made that your mantra. There are five full steps, and you’ve obviously nailed step one, which is setting a goal. Like you know your goal, you know what your purpose is. Number two, you’re tracking your activity, so that’s step two. And then step three, you’re making small changes, and that’s as far as you’ve gone. And to me, you get through the first three, and you’re going to start seeing some long-lasting changes and really see the difference that you are. But yes, you are eventually going to hit a plateau where you’re going to do the same things. You’re going to be like, “Well, wait, things aren’t getting bigger on me anymore, and I’m not losing any more weight. And that’s where all of a sudden you have the motivation to go to the next step, which is either four, which is getting outside and sweating and going hiking, or riding a bike, or jogging, or whatever it is, and then step five, which I call bring it, which is then you bring in, you know, the the P 90x or you know couch to 5k or whatever it is, and just knowing your level of motivation and your energy, you weren’t there when we started, but I think you’re going to get there soon, where you’re going to say, all right, I’m loving this, but I’m ready to go to the next level, and that takes time. But all of a sudden, the switch just kind of goes onto your head. It happened to me too, where I just kind of started slow. Well, the first thing that I did was I did the opposite. I did step five first and completely failed several times because I was like, “Oh, I’m just gonna do P90x, and oh my god, am I out of shape? Yeah, you know. So, so that’s what had happened to me. But you you’ve taken it in the right order, and you’re doing it in baby steps, which is the whole idea of the program. But what I want to also let people know is that even though you’re kind of downplaying it, I just want to mention to them that over the last three weeks, right now we’re we’re in the third week of August. You have 446,000 steps, and you have walked 190-one miles, and that that is an average of over 20,000 steps per day in almost nine miles a day. So whatever you’re doing, you’re doing it right.

Chriss Horgan: No wonder I’m tired at night. Yeah. No. Thank you. That is basically attributed to your guideline there, and to getting rid of the chair, I knew that I could probably walk a couple of miles a day. You know, I’m just thinking that sounds normal for a person that’s not actually out there outside walking around the blocks or you know doing power walking or that sort of thing. I figured we’d probably do a couple of miles a day, average, right? You know, I’m thinking that’s about right. I had no idea how much we would walk if we were not sitting down. I can walk on an average of seven to 10 miles a day just around my building here doing stuff. I I’m flabbergasted. I can’t, and I have stairs all over my building. That’s another thing people don’t. I should share. I am a manager of my apartment building, so that’s basically my day job and the real job at night. So I can pay bills and things is my editing. So that is another reason why my hours are probably, you know, not as many hours as as the person that just has the one job. You could probably compare my hours real close to a young parent who has little ones to run after. You know, they use up all the other rest of your hours of the day, and you-that’s

Zack Arnold: Me, by the way. Yeah,

Chriss Horgan: And you go to work to rest, right? Yep.

Zack Arnold: Yeah, work is vacation when you have two young kids. Work is like, oh my God, I can rest now.

Chriss Horgan: Right, right. Well, that’s how I look at my work. By the time I’m done here in my apartment building, and when I have vacancies, it’s not a big apartment building, but when I have vacancies, Lord have mercy, it never stops. You know the running around and back and forth and doing this and up and down and it’s been that way now for the last two months. It’s just been I’m sure, which has attributed to the extra amount of steps that I’ve been taking. And I’m just waiting for that moment when what happens when when the building is full again, and I’m going to have to go outside because I I’ll be too restless. I won’t know what to do with myself, and I’ll have to go out there and walk, and I’ll have to get back to hiking. I know we started. I’ve done one hike, and that was the first one. Yes, and

Zack Arnold: I wanted to talk about that because that was a that was a really good experience for both of us. So, so walk everybody through day one of Fitness and Post for you.

Chriss Horgan: Yeah, I absolutely love this whole idea of this hike that we would do once a week, and I was fully intending on being there every Sunday. And we met at I forget the name of the park out there where we met at. Yeah, it

Zack Arnold: Was a Serenia Serenia Ridge Trail.

Chriss Horgan: Right, right. And you know, I’m hearing, I’m looking at the little map, and it’s only like maybe 1.25 miles. You said or. or something is what I’m thinking. Oh, that’s nothing, you know. It’s like I used to hike. I used to belong to a hiking group, and I’ve done hikes, you know, more than that. I’ve I’ve hiked with my friend to the top of Verdugo Pass or Mount Verdugo there, and about killed myself doing it. And I thought this has got to be a piece of cake compared to that, and but it’s been a while since I did that, you know. And okay, so the hike is beginning, and we do our stretches, and we get limbered up and everything. And then you introduce us to bricks. Everybody got a brick to carry on this hike, and everyone except for one person. And so off we go carrying these bricks. And what were they? Maybe five pounds, if that.

Zack Arnold: Yeah, they they they were the small individual bricks. They weren’t giant cinder blocks. They were the small masonry bricks. But yeah, they’re about five pounds.

Chriss Horgan: Yeah, it’s no big deal, right? Okay, so we have our backpacks, our water, and our bricks, and off we go up this. I’ve never hiked on this trail before. Up we went. Well, we weren’t hiking. We were we were climbing for crying out loud. It was just like, oh my gosh, my breath, my heart. Although we did take care because we were all pretty out of shape, to stop when we needed to, and every I loved the whole thing. Everybody stayed together, you know, and nobody was left trailing behind. Halfway up the the mountain, there, I just. just had I couldn’t. That was it, man. I had to stop. I was so out of breath. I was seeing little white spots. I’m carrying my brick. Somebody, I think Monica, no, or somebody took my brick from me, and we rested and we had our five-minute rest, our 10-minute rest, or whatever it was, and then off we went again up the mountain. And Monica literally was Monica Daniels. She was literally pushing me right behind me, pushing me with her hand, so that I didn’t fall backwards. I was-I can’t believe how out of shape I was. You know, I nearly thought I was going to die. I really did. It was just my heart was going to just come bursting through my chest, and we finally got there. Yay! Everybody’s celebrating. Yay! We’re at the top, and you had a phone call you you took and we were in the shade there, standing, resting, and I didn’t want to sit down. I wanted to stay standing, and I just wanted to move in little circles to kind of cool down that way. And yeah, nice little spots. And yeah, I sat down involuntarily. Sat down. just like in the movies when you’re fading and the sound goes in and out. People are talking to you, and you’re just like blanking out, and the sound is going in and out. And I’m just like my all I could hear is my heart beating really loud in my head. That’s all I could hear, was that. But that day going down, you’d think it was going to be a piece of cake, and it’s not. You’re just working the opposite muscles going down. It was just, it was a hot day. I think it wasn’t our hottest yet, but it was probably at that point it was the hottest day that we’d had. I think it was like in the ’90s or something. And I don’t do heat real well, but I made sure that I carried my darn brick.

Zack Arnold: You were you were determined. I will say that you were absolutely bound and determined. I was very I was very impressed with you that day. A lot of people would have been the opposite. Saying, “Oh, she’s moving slow and holding us back, and oh, she’s in such bad shape. And I was just like, “I knew how much you were struggling, and you stuck with it. And I was really impressed.

Chriss Horgan: Oh, well, thanks. Yeah. Well, I’m. I don’t. You know, want to be the the the one holding anybody back. And you can. You put your mind to it. You can do anything really. You can, even as bad out of shape as I was. I felt I was already holding you guys up, and I just didn’t didn’t want to be that person. And I was fully intending on joining the next hike, but I think it was even a little worse, or you know, more intense. Let’s put it that way. Yeah.

Zack Arnold: Well, I have multiple levels where I’ve. I mean, this is the first group hiking experience we had, and what I’m doing as time goes on is I’m building different locations throughout the city of Los Angeles where we have different levels. So, for example, the hike, the hike that we did last week, you would have loved because it was pretty much flat, other than a slight incline in the beginning, it was about three miles. Took like 40-five minutes to an hour. It would have been perfect. You would have loved the whole thing. So what I’m trying to do is offer options for everybody. Where somebody says, “I want to train for a Spartan race, well, just kind of walking in a circle for an hour isn’t going to help them. So if they want to, you know, get crazy like I am, then maybe once or twice a month we do an advanced hike, and then another once or twice a month we do beginner one, and we get other people to start leading them, and we really offer all these different options. So everybody out there has the option to get outside, get some sun, get a little quote unquote fresh air, and just feel better and do it with a group of people. Because the other thing that I’m trying to do is build networking because one of the hardest things for people in our industry to do is meet people because we just sit in a room all day. If you work on a set and if you’re a PA, you’re going to eventually meet 50 other people and get their contact information and work your way up the ladder and get one job or another. But if you’re an editor, you don’t meet anybody. I went years and people would say, “Hey, can you recommend an editor? I’m like, “I don’t know any other editors. I work from home, and I’m a feature editor, and I don’t meet anyone, so I don’t know anybody.

Chriss Horgan: Right. It’s very true. One of the things that I enjoyed more than anything is, even though it was hard work and all, we were having fun. It was fun, fun sharing stories. It was fun getting to network and meet everyone, and just you know expanding your your contact with the world out there was like very enlightening.

Zack Arnold: Yeah, exactly. And the other thing that I want people to know, because as soon as you say the word, oh my God, he he brought a pile of bricks. I don’t want them to think that I’m trying to torture people. There is absolutely a method to my madness, and this is these are ideas derived from being involved with the Spartan race and reading about Joe Desenna, who’s the founder of the Spartan race. And there’s something that he talks about that he calls obstacle immunity, and that’s something that I’ve really, really ingrained into myself over the last few years with these obstacle course races, and that’s putting challenges in front of you that you know you can overcome, but that are annoying. And by doing so, you develop this immunity to obstacles, and you start putting larger and larger obstacles in front of you. And then all of a sudden, the smaller ones hit, and you’re like, eh, whatever. You know, like a few years ago, you’re trying to render a file, or somebody comes in and says, “Hey, I want you to output these visual effects and blah blah blah, and you’re like, “Oh my god, I’m so stressed out. But you know, when you’ve done a half marathon in the mountains and crawled under barbed wire and had people spray you with a fire hose, you’re like, “Eh, whatever. This this ain’t nothing, right? So the the idea behind the bricks is that they’re not that heavy, but it is kind of annoying, and you have to find a way to kind of shift your balance. And the other key thing that you said is that everybody got one, but one person. And the idea was to work together as a team, so one person could always rest, and other people can take the load. And again, that just develops the sense of camaraderie, which, in my view, is almost like building any other muscle group, right? Building your ability to work with others, and as editors, we don’t get that a lot. So there’s a lot more to it than just hey, let’s go outside. Like I’m really trying to to build this idea around teamwork and you know making things a little bit harder than they need to be, but knowing that that’s going to develop you further. Like what I tell people when we begin is like you’re really not going to like me for the next hour, and maybe not even for the rest of the day, you probably hated me for like 40-eight hours. But then all of a sudden, you’re like, “Wow, this really kind of opened my eyes, and that’s what I’m trying to do.

Chriss Horgan: No, actually, I thought it was brilliant. I I really did. And coming from a hardcore, you know, I used to work out with free weights a lot, and that’s my favorite way of working out. I’m not. I’m not a runner, and I never have been. Don’t really enjoy it or anything, but I do really. I enjoy really pumping iron, and that kind of reminded me, you know, of that. I was laughing at myself inside my head while I. Carrying this brick, dying, this thinking this is brilliant. Actually, it’s really brilliant. The thing about it, though, is holding onto the brick. A man’s hand is bigger than a lady’s, so having to spread the fingers in the hand, and while you’re you use your hands as well, your arms, you know, for balance as you’re you’re hiking and climbing and things like that. So yeah, it was it was a great test of dexterity and balance and and you know just it was a thing that we were conscious of, but it wasn’t so bad that we couldn’t do anything else. And I actually love the idea. So I have two bricks here at home, and I made myself a little makeshift brick carrier that I put around my. I strap around my hips when I’m walking around and stuff. They’re fanny packs. There’s two fanny packs, and they’re just big enough to. You can’t put the whole brick in and zip the whole thing up, but you can stick the brick inside of it, and it sits there. And I wear it. I have like you know six shooters there on each hip. I’ve got a brick on each hip when I’m walking around, and I don’t do it all the time. But when I know I’m going to be out walking around doing a lot of stuff, I’ll I’ll put it on. I think it’s brilliant. That might

Zack Arnold: Be the coolest thing I have ever heard ever. Basically, what you’ve designed a brick fanny pack. I’m gonna go online and I’m gonna trademark that tonight, and I’m gonna start designing brick fanny packs because everybody’s gonna want one.

Chriss Horgan: I mean, who doesn’t have bricks laying around the house somewhere, the building, or where I mean, they’re too easy to find, and you could go to Annualt or Home Depot or Lowe’s, and you can buy two bricks for like 90 cents. Yeah, yeah, to to

Zack Arnold: Buy the bricks, and I actually did bring one cinder block as well. But I went to Lowe’s before the first hiking group a few weeks. I guess it was a couple months ago now, but I bought two large sandbags, 40 pounds a piece. I got six masonry bricks and I got one cinder block, and it was about $9.50 for everything. And that, like, I didn’t need to go out and buy $1,000 worth of barbells and and you know workout equipment. It was less than $10 The other thing that I made sure to impress upon you guys was that you guys are carrying a small brick? I’m wearing a 40 pound weighted vest. Right. So it’s all it’s all about perspective because you’re thinking to yourself, oh God, this is annoying. I have to carry a brick, but at least I’m not wearing 40 pounds right now. So what I’m trying to develop is the sense of perspective and saying what I’m doing may not be great, but it could always be worse because once you start developing that mindset, everything in your life starts to get easier. So that was that’s part of the mindset behind the madness of what I’m creating here.

Chriss Horgan: It’s brilliant madness, and I think that it’s just too easy actually. And when I go, when I get able to get back out there and and walk my neighborhood like I I was doing in the very beginning that really boosted my start on you know getting the walking in and everything. I will be strapping on my my bricks when the next time I join you guys for hike, you’ll see my little Jerry rig brick carrying thing, so I don’t have to carry it in my hands. It’s

Zack Arnold: Just absolutely genius. I love

Chriss Horgan: It. And yeah, the the

Zack Arnold: Other thing that I think is going to be so important, and this was something I was even thinking about that day. I cannot wait to see you do the exact same hike or a similar one in about four weeks when we’re done with our challenge group. Because what I try to impress upon people, and this is the first thing that I say in our setup week, is that you have to pick some sort of test. I give an idea of a fitness test, like do this many chin ups or pull ups or touching your toes, whatever it is. But it’s not required. What is required is doing some form of activity so you get a baseline. So you can say, all right, like for you, your baseline was this hike, and you did this hike, and we have information that we track, so you know how long it took. We all know how you felt during it. But in another four weeks, what I want you to do is come with us and do the exact same hike, and that’s the moment that your eyes open and you’re like, “Oh my God, I did not realize what a difference this is making. And that, to me, is one of the key components to sticking with it because a lot of people, when they hit that 90 day mark, they’re like, “Yay, I’m done! Right? That’s it. I succeeded, and then they just recede and go back to all their old habits. But if you do that that baseline test and then you do it again and you just crush your results from three months ago, it’s like this fire starts inside of you, and you’re like, “I want to keep going. I want to keep doing this, and I do not want to give up. And this is working. So what I really want to do is I want to see you come and do the same hike in about a month, and I want to see the look on your face, assuming that there’s you know marked improvement, just so you can see what a difference you’ve made, even if you’re not doing P 90x 74 hours a week.

Chriss Horgan: Right, right. I’d love to let me know. You know when that hike’s going to be. That that will be my that will be my proof to myself because that thing almost just did me in that day. That’s how bad it was, and I I haven’t forgiven myself for allowing myself to get that unhealthy because that’s not my mo. It just it happened. It just happened. I don’t. I have no excuses. It just happened. It just did. The

Zack Arnold: Other thing that I want to bring up, and this was your number one challenge to me. You said if you can solve this, you’re going to be a mastermind, and that was sleep. So explain to people how your sleep pattern is so unusual and how you’ve seen it change so drastically over the last eight weeks.

Chriss Horgan: Yeah. Oh my gosh, incredible. I’ve never been a person that has needed a lot of sleep. I if I get more than five hours, I will have a headache. If I sleep six hours, I’m done. I’m like hungover all day long, and I so four hours is probably my eight hours for most people. But it’s not how many hours; it’s the quality of sleep within the amount of hours that you get. And my sleep has always been. I can’t fall asleep without you know the television on. The minute somebody, if I fall asleep, I mean I could be asleep and comfortably sleeping, and somebody will think, okay, she’s asleep. Let’s turn the TV off. Bam! Eyes open up. The whole brain opens. You know, wakes up, and I’m wide awake, and I have to have that television on, and not loud, just low key or something. But I just need to have that to fall asleep, and I don’t know why I wake up when they turn it off or anything. But we came up to our the week a couple weeks ago that, or month ago or so that that was our new homework was the sleep that we had to focus on that. So this one app that you introduced to us to download and try the Flux app. So I downloaded that and installed that, and you don’t even realize what this thing is doing. It’s gradually dimming the light on your your computer. I noticed it when it was almost too too dim, and I was like, “What’s wrong here? Why can’t I see what my my work is? Because I will work till about 530 in the morning or so, and then that’s my bedtime, and then I have to get up within four hours, three and a half to four hours after that, so I can start my day stuff. And so my sleep is real concentrated and everything, and I needed to be able to work till 530 So we resolved that situation. We just set. I was able to go in and play with the preferences and set the the timer so that it starts dimming more like around 3:30, and that’s perfect. By the time 5:30 rolls around, it’s like okay, it’s time to stop. You just stop. You stop. You go to bed. So I had to like train myself that no matter where I was, you know, because you’re always oh, I just need this one more little piece. I’m almost done. Oh, just this one more little stretch. I’m on a roll here. I can’t stop yet, and I decided that it didn’t matter how much on a roll I was. That I was going to file it away in the brain. I was going to remember whether I thought I would or not. I’m going to remember when I sit down to pick up where I left off, and that’s just how it’s going to be because this is our assignment for this period, and I have to do this, and I have to find out if I’m a person that can crack that whole sleep thing. And I’ve been following the the sleep app that we have on the the phone. What what’s it called again? The sleep.

Zack Arnold: It’s it’s the sleep cycle alarm clock app.

Chriss Horgan: Yeah, just that alone has, because you can track your sleep patterns, and I learned a lot about my sleep patterns just by using that all this time. I do go into deep sleep when I’m sleeping, and it doesn’t. I I mean, I can almost crash bottom on the deep sleep, you know, graph there, but I spike several times through my sleep. It shows my patterns that when I’m asleep, I’m asleep. But I’m waking up constantly. I don’t remember waking up, but it’s probably restlessness or something, and I’m just too groggy to realize it. Since doing the installing the flux thing and and making myself stop and turning everything off all of the the computers the phones the bells the whistles the glares the only thing that I have left on because I really could not fall asleep without it was my TV and. I had to have my TV in my bedroom. There, I had to have it on, but I turned the sound all the way off. I did try programming it so that it would shut off after 90 minutes, and I’ll be darned if I didn’t wake up when it turned off.

Zack Arnold: Amazing!

Chriss Horgan: I just can’t. I just can’t get past that. I don’t. I haven’t figured that one out yet. But I have to say, my sleep-the quality of my sleep has been. I think my best sleep so far was like an 80-9% and I have been in the 70 to 80-9% the whole time. All the rest of the time, my sleep quality has been like, you know, 40% So you know it real low numbers and oh my gosh the difference it makes. I don’t even need coffee anymore. Oh, did I say that? Did I say that? Score! Oh my gosh! No, just my glass of water and I’m good to go out the door. Don’t have time to even fix the coffee to brew it anymore. It’s just you know, I don’t know how that happened. It wasn’t a conscious decision to not have my coffee. It just got to where I wasn’t thinking about it. I woke up. I didn’t need it. I felt good. I was energetic. The sleep. This is the first time in history in 61 almost 60-one years, counting down the hours that I have had this kind of sleep, I don’t know what to say. I that’s just all I can say is that what happened.

Zack Arnold: Well, I mean, basically, what happened is you started taking care of yourself and you started eating a little bit better, even though your diet was pretty good to begin with, but most importantly, you’re getting a lot of daily activity, even though you’re not doing crazy exercises. You’re you’re getting mobile and you’re moving around, and you’re not sedentary. And because of that, you’re getting more circulation in your brain, and you’re sleeping better, and you’re sleeping deeper. And I remember the email or the Facebook post you had sent the next day after the hike, and you said, “Oh my God, am I sore? But it’s the best night of sleep I’ve had since I’ve been alive.

Chriss Horgan: Yeah, so true. I can’t tell you how great I slept like a log.

Zack Arnold: Right. And what what I want to let people know about the the two apps that you talked about. One of them is called Just Get Flux. F L U X, and just to explain a little bit about what that actually does, this is something I originally discovered through following Dave Asprey, the bulletproof executive. So I want to give him the credit for sending me in this direction. But what Just Get Flex does, and I first of all want to let everybody know it’s free. It costs nothing. It’s not like a $99 application or something. It’s free. You can get it anywhere. Basically, what it does, and I use it. I’m literally looking at my computer monitor now. I use it all the time. After about six or 7o’clock at night, our circadian rhythms, our natural rhythms that we’ve had as human beings throughout evolution, are to adjust to the time of day. So as the sun starts to go down and the hues in the sky go from blue to you know reds and ambers and oranges. We start to become more tired, and then we would go to sleep. And it wasn’t until the advent of electricity that we started to have these irregular sleep patterns where we could stay up a lot later because we had light beyond just candles. So what’s happened to us now because of our dependence on technology? And I’m no different than anybody else. I live in front of my computer, literally. I’m in front of my computer at least 16 hours a day, and that includes doing it late into the night. But what you really don’t think about is that there are all these bright blue lights that are emitting from your computer screen, and it doesn’t matter if it’s your phone, your iPad, an iMac, a regular LCD screen, none of that matters. All of the screens that we have in front of us emit this bright blue light, which is telling our brains, “Ooh, I need to be awake and alert. Right? What flux does? It doesn’t just dim your screen; it’s actually changing the frequency and the wavelength of the light that’s coming off of your screen. So as the day gets longer and you go deeper into the night, it knows what time it is because it’s you know connected to the the time on your computer, and it becomes deeper and deeper red, which actually calms your brain down and makes you sleepier. So it’s not just a matter of like because somebody could say, well, I don’t need flux, so I can just turn the brightness on my computer down, but that doesn’t work. Number one, it’s just going to strain your eyes because you’re like I can’t see anything, but number two, you still have blue lights that are coming and reaching your brain and causing that wavelength to keep you awake. And I literally saw the difference with flux within two days, where I was working late and I was sitting there and I’m like, I’m getting really drowsy, but I feel a lot calmer and I’m kind of ready for bed as opposed to turning off the computer, being wide awake, closing my eyes, and saying, “All right, time to go to sleep. Time to go to sleep. Time to go to sleep. Right. That’s what I always had to do was fight the the feeling that well, I know that it’s midnight, but I’m wide awake, right? And I couldn’t figure out what that was because I’m not a coffee drinker, you know. And I try not to exercise too late at night, but I was so amped. It’s because I was in front of these bright blue lights, and as soon as I got this application, it changed everything about my sleep, including the sleep cycle alarm clock app. But I use that every night. You basically put your phone face down next to your pillow, and you wake up the next morning, and you have all this data about the quality of your sleep.

Zack Arnold: And it’s no different than having a Fitbit. When you look at it, you become internally competitive, and you say, “Oh man, I only scored a 70. Well, what did I do last night? Why? What was it that? Okay, well, I need to change this, this, and this. And then all of a sudden, you make these changes, and a week later, you are like, “Sweet, I just got a 90-4% sleep score. I am awesome,

Chriss Horgan: Right? Like it’s so true. It becomes

Zack Arnold: A game, and the the the three things that I tell everybody that I have learned, like if you don’t want to spend any money on trackers or equipment or whatever, and you just want to get better sleep, number one, either turn your phone off or put it in airplane mode because if you’re hearing an email ding or a text ding or whatever the 150 other alerts are, you probably you’re not going to remember them throughout the night, but your brain hears them and it makes your sleep patterns go out of whack, and you have more shallow sleep, and you can’t get into those deep sleep cycles. So, number one, turn your phone off or in airplane mode. I have it in airplane mode because I’m using it to track my sleep, and if it were turned off, it wouldn’t track. So I just put it in airplane mode, and I go ahead and put it face down, and I’m tracking. The second thing is get the Flux app because if you’re in front of your computer, those blue lights are going to keep you awake. So I use the Flux app and I try not to be in front of a screen for at least half an hour before I go to bed. What I’ve done is eliminated all the screens and I just read now. It’s either an actual good old-fashioned book, and for those of you that don’t know what a book is. I’ll put it in the show notes and show you a picture on Google, or I’m I’m now starting to use one of the old fashioned Amazon Kindles because there’s no light coming off that, and it is like reading paper. But the problem is that now that I’m doing more traveling, like I just I don’t want to have eight books in my my carry-on, so I now just use that because you know it’s still great to have all your books in one little tiny device. But I didn’t want to read on an iPad because I used to read on an iPad before bed, not understanding how bad that was for my health. And then the third thing that I do is I have now darkened my room as much as humanly possible. This again, I learned a lot of these tips from from Dave Asprey, and he actually had a great podcast with Arianna Huffington, and they talked about all the tips that they use. And the most brilliant thing I’ve ever heard is that she travels with electrical tape. And anytime she goes to a hotel room, she covers every single light, whether it’s on the air conditioner or an alarm clock or whatever the 50,000 green lights are that we see when we turn everything down. She just covers them all with electrical tape. So the darker your room, the better that you’re going to sleep. So that’s the third thing that I do. Is I’ve now, if you go around my office or go around my bedroom, you see all these tiny little pieces of tape, and there are no lights. The room is basically black, and that made just a quote-unquote a night and day difference. So now I may not get a ton of sleep at night. I actually sleep less in terms of hours. I used to have to get eight or eight to 10 hours of sleep a night just to barely function. Now I probably sleep five to six hours a night, but I wake up and I’m ready to go. Like I feel completely refreshed. And they say people that are professionals in sleep study and doctors and people that do this for a living, there are all these scientific measurements of how good your sleep was. But it all boils down to when you wake up in the morning, do you feel refreshed, awake, and do you feel good? And if you don’t, then there’s something wrong with your sleep. That’s really all it boils down to, and that’s free. So if you just wake up and say, “How do I feel? Well, I feel really groggy, and I don’t feel like I can function or think clearly without coffee.

Zack Arnold: And I want to go back to sleep. Well, then you need to look at what you’re doing to improve the quality of your sleep, and that’s one thing that I focus heavily on in these these challenge groups. It’s not just everybody do P 90x as hard as you can. It’s all facets of wellness, and one of the biggest facets of wellness is sleep. So we spend a full two weeks doing nothing but talking about sleep.

Chriss Horgan: Yeah, it has made, like you said, night and day difference. The quality of sleep that I’ve been getting, it’s exponential. I’ve never ever slept like this before. I love going to sleep now, and I sleep so well. I dream vividly. I wake up energetic and ready to go, and that’s the part that right there, the waking up part. Because I’m not a good wake up person, or I never used to be a good wake up person. I was one of those people. Don’t talk to me for two hours, you know. Now it’s just like I’ve slept, and I even if I only got like three hours of sleep, it was like the fullest, best sleep ever. I’m so happy, and I wake up and I’m just I’m taking on the these 20 hour days here for crying out loud, nonstop. They’re just there’s no stopping, and I. Even stop every now and then. Ask myself where where am I getting this energy? How how am I doing this? I don’t know. But I all these little factors. The the sleep now was the latest factor that we’ve incorporated into the plan here. And there’s

Zack Arnold: Still more to come. We still have another four weeks, so more tips and tricks to come.

Chriss Horgan: Yay! I’m just loving it. This has just been-it’s been wonderful, and the the the whole experience. I can’t-I just can’t emphasize enough to people, other editors out there listening to this, that we’ve been there. We we for crying out loud. That’s what we do. We edit as well, but it’s not that hard. There’s no effort, really. The only effort is your desire, and that’s it. The rest just automatically comes, and it’s just entertaining. We we we are very entertaining people. Do you know that?

Zack Arnold: Oh, I I know. I I read all the boards every day. I know how entertaining all of you are.

Chriss Horgan: I just love all you guys, and I am so happy with the results that I’m seeing. And I’m so glad I didn’t take all my clothes to the church down the street to give away because they’re my clothes that I haven’t been able to wear. You know, I’m wearing right now clothes that I haven’t been able to wear for two to three years ago, and then my main goal is to get into those clothes that I was wearing five years ago, and I’ll do it.

Zack Arnold: Well, we’re going to get you there because my my whole philosophy behind this program is that the challenge group for the whole 16 weeks that’s phase one, that’s getting started, that’s not going through everything. You’ve learned what you need to know. Get off into the world. Be done with you. Good luck. Basically, those first four months. That’s just phase one, which is let’s develop the basic foundation to continue this over the course of 10 years. So there’s there’s going to be a lot more to come beyond just the first you know few months.

Chriss Horgan: Well, I’m on board. I am so ready. Bring it. That’s all I can say. One little thing I do want to interject here about the the eating. Now, when I’m at home, I cook a lot, and so I can control what I how I prepare my food, and and I know what I’m getting when I go out to eat with others at restaurants, and a lot of times that’s a lot, especially if you’re an independent contractor and you’re trying to meet with people for lunch or a dinner or or just anything, whether it’s for meetings or you’re just getting together with your family or whatever the reason is, restaurant food. My goodness, that’s another thing that I’m finding myself. I’ve lost the taste for restaurant food. I don’t care how how good it is, but it’s not it’s not in my plan. And I I don’t. That’s one thing that I’m trying to figure out how to deal with. That that’s a good challenge to deal with, you know. I know we all carry our little bullets, and everybody’s got our shakeologies and things like that. That for our meal replacers and stuff. But I’m talking about when you actually have to go out with people and sit down and order off of a menu. I’m having a problem there without becoming the nuisance person of of ordering à la carte on everything so that I can make sure I have a healthy plate in front of me, and I don’t know what they’re cooking it in back there. Is it margarine or butter or what? You know, that’s I don’t know because a lot of people eat out all the time, and

Zack Arnold: In this business, they eat out twice a day.

Chriss Horgan: Yeah, you know,

Zack Arnold: When I was on my last show for ABC, we had food brought to us every lunch and every dinner. So if we wanted to, we could eat out 10 times a week for free.

Chriss Horgan: Yeah, you know, I’m good with just being able to pick up a piece of whole fruit or something like that. And I’ve had a meal. I don’t need a lot, you know, to satisfy me myself, but it’s real difficult to just order an apple or something from a restaurant. You know, but anyway, that’s something that I’m working on. I found that a lot of times you can order salads or things like salmon or something like that, but you can order salads without the dressing. The dressing’s the killer. People think salads are so healthy; it’s the dressing that’s the killer. Oh yeah, I

Zack Arnold: Mean, if if you were to get like, for example, the one that came to my my mind was the God, what is it called? It’s like a barbecue chicken salad or something that they have at California Pizza Kitchen at CPK. Yeah, and you’re thinking, oh, I’m not going to order pizza. I’m going to be healthy, so I’m going to get the barbecue chicken salad has more calories than a Big Mac.

Chriss Horgan: Yeah, you’d be better off having two slices of pizza. Honestly,

Zack Arnold: Absolutely. If you got you got one of the like the the honey wheat or the the whole wheat crust, and you got vegetables on your pizza, like you’re you’re having a way healthier meal than that salad because it’s just drenched in dressing.

Chriss Horgan: Yeah, and. But anyway, that’s my my current challenge is that one. I’m trying to find a way around that, and I it’s only because I have so many projects that are coming up, and there’s been an awful lot of meetings. Yeah, absolutely. They’re always at these restaurants and stuff, so I’m the one that sits there. I’m the the party pooper, you know, the Debbie Downer as far as the menu ordering goes, I’m the one sitting there with just my glass of water and maybe my dry salad or something. But but that’s okay. But I digress. I’m sorry. I just that was one thing I that’s been on my mind, and I just thought of it, and I thought I’d throw that out there to you.

Zack Arnold: Yeah, and I think that that’s something too that I can focus on introducing into the challenge groups because these are basically these are these are a work in progress and I’m just learning from everybody that’s in the groups, learning from their tips and tricks, wanting to understand what they want to do, what they want to learn, and incorporating that into it. And this one I don’t necessarily have the perfect answer because I struggle with the same thing, I just always try to find the best choice with what I’m given. Sometimes I don’t make the best choice, and I say, “Well, you know what? I’ve had you know 10 days in a row of completely clean eating. I’m going to have a little bit of fun, and I’m going to eat something that I want. And sometimes I just do that. I usually pay for it because once you clean out your system and you eat something that isn’t clean. Like I’ve had this experience a couple of times now, where I literally for six hours feel like I have the flu because my body does not know how to deal with the toxins that are in our food supply anymore, and I feel horrible. And I’m like, wait a second! I used to eat this food all the time, and I was fine, but now that I don’t have those toxins in my system, they really, really affect me. Yeah. But one one tip that I do have, and I don’t have the magic bullet for this. And anybody that does come up with the magic bullet is going to be the next billionaire, because I think for anybody in the diet world, the number one challenge is well, what do I do when I’m not at home and I’m not cooking for myself? But one thing that I found that works extremely well, and once again, this comes from the bulletproof executive. I absolutely love this guy and what he’s doing and his message. He has a product that’s called activated charcoal, and what that does is it’s something that I mean, it’s not like oh my god, I’m eating a piece of charcoal, how unhealthy, right? Like this is something that they use in hospitals if you know somebody is poisoned or they need to detox their system. It’s you know it’s very well respected in the medical community, but it’s just a little tablet that you take, and what it does is it just completely seeps out all the toxins in your digestion or your bloodstream. So what, and it’s not something that all of a sudden you’re just like, wow, I feel amazing, right? But I, if I’m out to eat, and I always have a little pouch now in the glove compartment of my car, so if I know I’m going out to a restaurant, I’ll eat two before I have that meal, or if I forget, I’ll take two before bed. And this is something that applies to alcohol too. When you wake up the next morning, that stuff has been taken out of your system, and you feel about 100 times better. So even though you can’t always just find the perfect option, like you’re not going to go to McDonald’s and say, “Well, I prefer the 100% grass-fed beef patty. Can I get that? Like it’s not going to happen. But you can say, well, you know, I don’t need to eat the bun, and I don’t need to have the mix shake or whatever it is that they have. You can make the healthiest choice with what you’re given, and then I just always have the activated charcoal to know that there’s some way that I can get the toxins out of my body. And I’ve now found that if I forget to do that, and I’ve had a meal out, when I wake up the next day, I feel horrible. But if I take it, I’m okay, and I rebound, and I feel pretty much like myself the next day.

Zack Arnold: And it’s really cheap; it’s like 30 or $40 for a bottle, but that bottle has like 200 capsules. I mean, it lasts forever. So I’ll put a link in the show notes to that. But that’s that’s what I’ve been experimenting with for the last two months, and you’re actually like one week away in the challenge group from me having suggested that. So you would have found out about it had we recorded this in a week.

Chriss Horgan: Well, interesting. That’s I. I love that.

Zack Arnold: Yeah, and it’s it’s it’s a technique that’s completely accepted in the medical community, and but it’s really made a huge difference for me. And like I, it’s I literally am like, oh my god, do I have this when I’m traveling? Because if I don’t, I freak out. I’m like, oh my god, I have to make sure that I have my charcoal with me. So it’s a it’s a really great product. So

Chriss Horgan: That’s so interesting. I’ve already made notes and everything. I’m def definitely going to look into that.

Zack Arnold: Yeah. So well, I I cannot tell you enough how inspired I am by hearing this because you have so many reasons to say to me I don’t have the time I have too much to do this program isn’t for me and you’ve just said screw it I’m going to do it anyway and that to me is really inspiring and I hope there are other people listening that say to themselves you know what I can do this too you know I I want to make this happen and I have a goal and I want to do this too. And I want people like you to be out there, so they know that this is doable by anybody, not just people that are in the kind of shape that I’m in.

Chriss Horgan: Absolutely, I hope so too. And yeah, I’m the opposite end of the spectrum, you know, from the people in this group, you know, and and it’s just. Proof that it works for anyone. It really does. I can’t say any more about it. That I’m living proof.

Episode Credits

This episode was edited by Kristin Martin, and the show was executive produced by Kanen Flowers. We are a member of the THAT STUDIO podcast network.